nader is going to run!

[brights the cat]

Here's a video of an anonymous citizen making a heartfelt appeal to him not to.

http://www.236.com/blog/w/election08...om_an_4373.php

[Hally]

Oh crap. Spoiler. Just what we need. Why not just hand the world over the Republican party in perpetuity, Ralph?

[brights the cat]

there's a part of that video that shows the vote totals and how if it wasn't for nader, gore would have won. that still chafes my butt.

[Sus]

I was afraid he would do this again . . .

[brights the cat]

I just saw Tim Russert interview him, asking him about ten of the best questions I could imagine...going back to the 2000 election, what about Obama/McCain, etc etc etc. He has an answer for everything.


This guy drinks his own bath water.

[Sus]

Hell, he probably drinks his own urine.

[Mercury]

Ralph Nader is just hungry for attention. If he really wanted a third party he would focus on creating them on the local level way before a presidential election, he has had 8 years to do this since he ran in 2000. His running is not going to make a third party viable. Nader is a self asborbed prick, that is more concerned about attention for himself than doing anything positive for this country.

[Hally]

Geez, Ralph. For the love of whatever you call holy, just back out and let the Demmies have this one. Do you REALLY need to give legitimacy to a third party SO much that you want McCain wacking off to the Bush playbook for four long years before he croaks and Jeb takes over...? Stop playing the victimized spoiler and retroactively listen to all of the people who have begged you on hands and knees not to run in the past, and when you're done, listen to everyone who is about to beg you not to run. A vote for you is a vote to keep the Repubs in office -- has that not sunk in yet?

[Chonguey]

Ron Paul is running for President too. Doesn't mean he will win. In the end he will end up playing spoiler this time around but for the Republicans.

Nader running isn't going to cost the election again. The electoral map in 2008 is mush different than it was in 2000.

[brights the cat]

How so, Chonguey?

That's how it feels to me, but I don't know why...I guess it's more likely Obama will capture the Nader votes Gore lost?

[Hally]

Originally Posted by Chonguey

Ron Paul is running for President too. Doesn't mean he will win. In the end he will end up playing spoiler this time around but for the Republicans.

But Ron Paul isn't running on a third party ticket, is he? Unless he does, he's no more a spoiler than Huckabee, right?

Originally Posted by Chonguey

Ron Paul is running for President too. Doesn't mean he will win. In the end he will end up playing spoiler this time around but for the Republicans.

Nader running isn't going to cost the election again. The electoral map in 2008 is mush different than it was in 2000.

I was at a party yesterday with a large group of political scientists. They all believe that Nader running will make a significant effect. Not enough to worry them but it will be interesting to analyze later.

[brights the cat]

Originally Posted by Kristen

I was at a party yesterday with a large group of political scientists. They all believe that Nader running will make a significant effect. Not enough to worry them but it will be interesting to analyze later.

hmm. interesting.

[Mercury]

Originally Posted by Hally

But Ron Paul isn't running on a third party ticket, is he? Unless he does, he's no more a spoiler than Huckabee, right?

Ron Paul is a good example Hally of someone that doesn't really fit his party yet is smart enough to realize he needs to work in the existing party system.

I agree with you he is not a spoiler like Nader, trying to create a third party.

Nader should go through the same stuff that Ron Paul and all the others that didn't fit their party's completely yet attempted to get the party nomination in the existing system. Personally I have a lot more respect for these other presidential hopefuls like Ron Paul & Richardson, etc. that were eliminated during the party process. How about the green party or whatever party Nader is involved in do the same thing and let us see if Nader is still standing as their canidate.

Hey if we put Nader on the ballot why not Mary Carey.

[brights the cat]

In real life, I have a personal, not very good, term for what Nader does: wall of words. I work with a couple of people who just go through the day repeating their ideas to themselves and everyone around them, and you only make the mistake of trying to engage with them, like once, because then you realize they are just going to shower, deluge you in repetitions of their point of view until you're tired. From then on you just dodge and skirt their citadel. They think they're slowing convincing everyone because the only part of a conversation they hear is their own.

Yesterday, I was a witness to one of them having the wall of words broken by a respected and unusually compassionate physician. This nurse was going on and on about her opinion of a bipolar patient (whom she believes we should all scold and punish). In a meeting, the doctor told her to stop, said she was out of touch with the world around her. He said she had become a prima donna protected by her role from the real challenges other nurses face.

Only in a situation that public, with an authoritiy figure that strong, would she have been prevented from just building her wall up the ceiling by repeating her beliefs over and over till everyone's exhausted. Even though you block the world out so you can't see it, it's still there, is my point.

[Hally]

Originally Posted by Mercury

Hey if we put Nader on the ballot why not Mary Carey.

Who the hell is Mary Carey?

[brights the cat]

She's the stripper who ran for president. She's on Celebrity Rehab.

[Hally]

No wonder I didn't know.

[alex]

Originally Posted by brights the cat

She's the stripper who ran for president. She's on Celebrity Rehab.

She certainly appears to be patriotic - don't worry .... its safe for work ..... http://www.badmouth.net/graphics/mary-carey.jpg

Her gubernatorial platform was hilarious ..... http://www.badmouth.net/interview-mary-carey

Actually I'd like to see her get this open job .... http://www.desnews.com/confer/leaders/b.htm She'd sure liven up that committee of old 11 fossils .... especially their President And she's young enough that she'd someday be running the whole show once Tommy through Quentin die

[brights the cat]

You know, Alex, I haven't read your links, but I doubt if she would actually liven up any real life work situation so much as bog it down. Maybe she's in recovery, but she looks a long way from it on the show, and most people trying to get clean make many attempts before they succeed...so I think it's good Clinton and Obama don't need to worry about her threat.

[Mercury]

Originally Posted by Hally

Who the hell is Mary Carey?

She is an Adult Film star that ran for Governor in California when Arnold ran.

She got a number of votes.

And like Brights said she is on Celebrity Rehab wanting to live sober and get herself out of the adult industry.

[brights the cat]

"Even more inexcusably, there were indications that Mr. Nader not only knew that his campaign might throw the election to Mr. Bush, he actually preferred this result. As he told The Times, in a piece that ran on Nov. 1, 2000, under the headline “Nader Sees a Bright Side to a Bush Victory,” Mr. Nader believed that a “bumbling Texas governor would galvanize the environmental community as never before.” He said that “the Sierra Club doubled its membership under James Watt.” This view, which was rejected by the president of the Sierra Club, nonetheless won some credence among Nader followers, making the recent efforts by Mr. Nader to reject any responsibility for President Bush’s victory in 2000 all the more disingenuous and incredible."

[barley pop]

Poor Nader, he just really needs to get laid.

[Debbie]

I'm voting for Pat Paulsen.

Ok, never mind, you're all just too young to remember that.

[brights the cat]

Originally Posted by Debbie

I'm voting for Pat Paulsen.

Ok, never mind, you're all just too young to remember that.

I'm not!
And by the way, Debbie, I'm tired of thinking old is a bad thing. I have a great, cheap, organic way to color my hair a perfectly natural looking brown at home, but I am deciding I'm going to let my salt and pepper grow in. I hate the way aging is treated like an illness in this culture.